#unionyes

"ImmoralMinority" (araimondo) 08/06/2019 at 10:34 • Filed to: None

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Oh, how I smile when the corruption of corporate unions is exposed. This is what they are, inevitability and always.

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If you think this is the exception, and not the rule you are in d enial. Corporate unions and worker collective bargaining rights are not the same thing. Corporate unions hijacked workers’ voice and have used it for profit for 75 years. I am not opposed to collective bargaining - it can work. But it needs to be owned by workers, not corporate fat cats who profit from skimming workers’ wages.

I have dealt with a lot of unions who "represent" low wage workers, and at every one the union's employees have better wages, benefits, and working conditions than the people who pay for those things.  It is a scam.

vondon302 > ImmoralMinority 08/06/2019 at 10:40

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Never forget!

Fat,dumb,and happy.

Future next gen S2000 owner > ImmoralMinority 08/06/2019 at 11:04

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I’ve got several family members that are in unions. I don’t know how corrupt they are but I’m wouldn’t be shocked if they are.

Unions once served a purpose. A very real and needed purpose. The majority of the original issues are now coded into law. I’m not sure what purpose they serve now. I think they can be beneficial but the argument tends to be very worker vs company. In reality they need to work together. Worker and company. Happy workers are more productive, engaged.....

Ying and yang. Take care of each other. It’s a balance. You can’t demand so much that you bankrupt the company but companies shouldn’t treat their employees like dispos able items.

This is all very hippie, perfect world stuff but it all seems pretty logical.

For Sweden > Future next gen S2000 owner 08/06/2019 at 11:19

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They still serve a purpose in many industries. They are not infallible .

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ImmoralMinority 08/06/2019 at 11:28

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Thoughts on countries that require a workers’ advocate on the board of corporations? 

AestheticsInMotion > For Sweden 08/06/2019 at 11:29

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Shit, if my boss unionizes as he’s considering doing to pick up more commercial work, my pay would instantly jump 50%, benefits would increase, and there would be a laid out path of substantial yearly wage increases. That seems okay

gettingoldercarguy > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2019 at 12:45

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Germany does it right

gettingoldercarguy > AestheticsInMotion 08/06/2019 at 12:55

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People only earn  what they negotiate, not what they’re worth. A common misconception.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > ImmoralMinority 08/06/2019 at 13:02

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I was once part of a different sort of “union”. FOrgot what it was called but basically I got paid by this representative instead of the company I worked for and my benefits and whatnot were through them so we had a collective bargaining power of some ludicrous multiple more than if it was just our little dozen-man shop. Oh, also it meant we could get paid even if our company ran low on cash for the month since the companies all paid in to this group rather than direct to employees or health insurance companies.

Ho nestly, 10/10, would recommend it for labor representation. Had a lot of cool little benefits you didn’t get otherwise and our company liked just lump summing a check to them rather than worrying about individual distributions. Oh, we also had our own internal job board so you could shift within this group and keep benefits and pay since hey, you’re in the system already... I think for smaller companies, that sort of provides a service for both parties. Th is company manages worker benefits and pay and taxes with specialized professionals you can’t justify as a small business and workers get guaranteed pay and cheaper insurance and more benefits and perks (I got 100$ cash a month since I was a non-smoker).

Reading what I typed, I think I just described a proper union....

His Stigness > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2019 at 13:25

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In the case of VW it seems that it just encourages more redundancy. VAG employs (as of 2018 according to this site ) 665,000 while Toyota makes do with 370,000 . But VW is unique even within Germany as labor and the state of Lower Saxony have a controlling interest on the board, and of course Lower Saxony will want as many jobs as possible.

Even if there is corruption in that system, and I’d bet there are, at least they are employing a ton of people and VW is paying them. 

gettingoldercarguy > His Stigness 08/06/2019 at 15:29

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Germany has a cheaper cost of labor than the us for almost every given job I believe .

Furthermore, when cuts are made to the workforce, there is a collective decision on what is best for everybody and not strikes, so the company runs more efficient.

gettingoldercarguy > AestheticsInMotion 08/06/2019 at 15:30

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We'll just glance over this take.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/06/2019 at 19:14

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The setup is somewhat different in Oz from how I understand it is in the US...and yet corrupt things do happen. Mind you you they are always confined to the union side of the ledger.

Here our unions are tied into a national association, the Australian Council of Trade Unions. This organisation (and many of its member unions) are very much aligned with one of our two major political parties, Labor.

Imagine if your Democrats arose from, were aligned with and are supported by the US unionised labour movement? And had been for nearly a century? Can you imagine the political and legislative oversight on the union movement that would result? That’s our reality.

Its not perfect by any means. We still don’t have a Federal level equivalent of our state based Independent Commission Against Corruption for example.

I used to be a union member as an employee in the Public Service. And I did do some training to act as a regional representative of the union for our area...in my case, I wouldn’t have been paid for such a position though my union fees would have been reduced . In the end, I didn’t finish the training because we moved on...